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		<title>Comment on Tips on Preventing Classroom Management and Discipline Issues by Mrs.Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs.Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments are so great!  I can just hear each of your voices in your comments so clearly.  My point about classroom management falls along that line.  What I mean is, my best advice is to just be sure that whatever classroom management policy you adopt suits who you are as a person.  Be sure to pick rules and procedures that you can reasonably keep up with on a daily basis.  While it's good to visit other classroom teachers and see how they do things, you should take the knowledge you gain through observation and adapt it to fit you.  Being confortable--and being yourself--is the best way to maintain a well-managed classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are so great!  I can just hear each of your voices in your comments so clearly.  My point about classroom management falls along that line.  What I mean is, my best advice is to just be sure that whatever classroom management policy you adopt suits who you are as a person.  Be sure to pick rules and procedures that you can reasonably keep up with on a daily basis.  While it&#8217;s good to visit other classroom teachers and see how they do things, you should take the knowledge you gain through observation and adapt it to fit you.  Being confortable&#8211;and being yourself&#8211;is the best way to maintain a well-managed classroom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Troubleshooting Classroom Management Issues by Candice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was drawn to the class management discussion because I am having major problems with my students.  Most of your techniques seem as if they would work in theory, but it seems that trying them without the administrative back up is daunting.  Also, to deal with a lot of kids (30) in a small room makes them even more difficult to maintain.  I'd like to know in what environment these practices have been successful and whether there are techniques that work for all types of students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was drawn to the class management discussion because I am having major problems with my students.  Most of your techniques seem as if they would work in theory, but it seems that trying them without the administrative back up is daunting.  Also, to deal with a lot of kids (30) in a small room makes them even more difficult to maintain.  I&#8217;d like to know in what environment these practices have been successful and whether there are techniques that work for all types of students.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips on Preventing Classroom Management and Discipline Issues by Michelle Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic topic!  

Considering my practicum experience, I have to agree with Joseph that, occasionally, a student will develop that “troublemaker” reputation, and, from that point on, the teachers’ constant criticism only serves to increase bad behavior.  I suppose that goes to illustrate the theory that students will live up to the expectations that we set (or impose) upon them.

To be completely honest, though, I’ve been blessed with relatively tame classes.  My biggest complaint is talking out of turn or sporadic rowdiness.  Usually, this happens when they really begin getting involved in the lesson.  I’ve found that the best way to harness that energy, like Leah and the original list mentioned, is to “know thy plan.”  Good transitions and plenty of engaging activities seem to keep them moving in the right direction.

I just try to maintain a teacher-student “team” attitude, as opposed to an “us-versus-them” attitude.  It seems to help if the students see me as an ally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic topic!  </p>
<p>Considering my practicum experience, I have to agree with Joseph that, occasionally, a student will develop that “troublemaker” reputation, and, from that point on, the teachers’ constant criticism only serves to increase bad behavior.  I suppose that goes to illustrate the theory that students will live up to the expectations that we set (or impose) upon them.</p>
<p>To be completely honest, though, I’ve been blessed with relatively tame classes.  My biggest complaint is talking out of turn or sporadic rowdiness.  Usually, this happens when they really begin getting involved in the lesson.  I’ve found that the best way to harness that energy, like Leah and the original list mentioned, is to “know thy plan.”  Good transitions and plenty of engaging activities seem to keep them moving in the right direction.</p>
<p>I just try to maintain a teacher-student “team” attitude, as opposed to an “us-versus-them” attitude.  It seems to help if the students see me as an ally.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Music in Shakespeare’s Language by HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the many suggestions made by everyone so far, and I firmly believe in the use of film to pull the students into the language.  The version of Hamlet which features Mel Gibson provides a wonderful modern day actor that everyone knows who is speaking the eloquent and intricate language of Shakespeare.  The students in my class could not understand anything in the plot (even with dictionaries and discussing many lines one by one - they were simply lost) until we watched the film.  After watching the film, the language in Hamlet made much more sense, and the students could grasp and follow the words much easier without shutting down and disengaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the many suggestions made by everyone so far, and I firmly believe in the use of film to pull the students into the language.  The version of Hamlet which features Mel Gibson provides a wonderful modern day actor that everyone knows who is speaking the eloquent and intricate language of Shakespeare.  The students in my class could not understand anything in the plot (even with dictionaries and discussing many lines one by one - they were simply lost) until we watched the film.  After watching the film, the language in Hamlet made much more sense, and the students could grasp and follow the words much easier without shutting down and disengaging.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The “Language Barrier” of Shakespeare by Bobbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I teach ELL students, we are given side-by-side editions of the play so the students have the original version of the text as well as a modern "translation" of it.  I always like to start the Shakespeare unit with a summary of the play.  I find that the students follow along much better if they have an idea of the basic plot.  This is especially useful since I teach 10th grade, and we read A Midsummer Night's Dream.
I also like to start by explaining the pronouns that Shakespeare uses.  This seems to help students later by allowing them to keep track of who is speaking and to whom they are speaking.  We also do some activities where the students create "Shakespearean Insults" by using lists of words that I'll put up on a transparency.
Then, we will read the modern translation of the text for the first act.  If we come to key scenes or important speeches, we'll read the modern version, then read the original version to ease the students into the language.
By the second act, we'll concentrate more on the original text, do some role-playing, and watch clips of the movie version to compare the different mediums of presentation.
I think the more you can get the students to read aloud, act out scenes, and view interpretations of scenes, the more comfortable they will feel with the language, and the more they will enjoy the plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I teach ELL students, we are given side-by-side editions of the play so the students have the original version of the text as well as a modern &#8220;translation&#8221; of it.  I always like to start the Shakespeare unit with a summary of the play.  I find that the students follow along much better if they have an idea of the basic plot.  This is especially useful since I teach 10th grade, and we read A Midsummer Night&#8217;s Dream.<br />
I also like to start by explaining the pronouns that Shakespeare uses.  This seems to help students later by allowing them to keep track of who is speaking and to whom they are speaking.  We also do some activities where the students create &#8220;Shakespearean Insults&#8221; by using lists of words that I&#8217;ll put up on a transparency.<br />
Then, we will read the modern translation of the text for the first act.  If we come to key scenes or important speeches, we&#8217;ll read the modern version, then read the original version to ease the students into the language.<br />
By the second act, we&#8217;ll concentrate more on the original text, do some role-playing, and watch clips of the movie version to compare the different mediums of presentation.<br />
I think the more you can get the students to read aloud, act out scenes, and view interpretations of scenes, the more comfortable they will feel with the language, and the more they will enjoy the plays.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Music in Shakespeare’s Language by jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What intersting comments on Shakespeare's language. I agree with Radhika's statements that language must be broken down into understandable pieces for the students. One of the biggest "fears" in reading Shakespeare is not being able to understand the wording and the lines of iambic pentameter. Radhika's approach gives a simple, clear and managable way for students to get into Shakepeare's head and learn his language. 
     I also agree with Jenn's comments that to hear the "music of the language," you must hear it spoken aloud. The more students are saying the words and hearing the "melody", the better they can understand it. 
      Perhaps students could also compare the context of Shakespeare's language with their own. The teacher could give a sentence in Elizabethan English and have the students change it into modern English. Then the teacher could give a sentence in modern English and have them "translate" it into Elizabethan English. Here the teacher could stress the improtance of what Lisa Delpit calls the language of power. Students can get into the discussion of how contextual "Standard English" has become. I would like to hear their responses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What intersting comments on Shakespeare&#8217;s language. I agree with Radhika&#8217;s statements that language must be broken down into understandable pieces for the students. One of the biggest &#8220;fears&#8221; in reading Shakespeare is not being able to understand the wording and the lines of iambic pentameter. Radhika&#8217;s approach gives a simple, clear and managable way for students to get into Shakepeare&#8217;s head and learn his language.<br />
     I also agree with Jenn&#8217;s comments that to hear the &#8220;music of the language,&#8221; you must hear it spoken aloud. The more students are saying the words and hearing the &#8220;melody&#8221;, the better they can understand it.<br />
      Perhaps students could also compare the context of Shakespeare&#8217;s language with their own. The teacher could give a sentence in Elizabethan English and have the students change it into modern English. Then the teacher could give a sentence in modern English and have them &#8220;translate&#8221; it into Elizabethan English. Here the teacher could stress the improtance of what Lisa Delpit calls the language of power. Students can get into the discussion of how contextual &#8220;Standard English&#8221; has become. I would like to hear their responses!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips on Preventing Classroom Management and Discipline Issues by Kendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to reitterate the point, "Encourage and model to students praise, respect, and appreciation of all contributions to learning and building a supportive classroom atmosphere;" along with Joseph's point. 

After rearranging the boards in the classroom, I recently observed the teacher putting up work done by the "gifted" students, which of course is fine, but the previous work she had taken down was also done by a few of the same students. Noticing a change, each class went to the board to see what had been put up, and I could see the disappointment of some who did not see their name or picture. A few of them began to crack jokes about the work or the pictures, and many of those were the same ones who are frequent trouble-makers. In the teacher's defense however, the principal only wants to see "quality work." 
I would think that for those who go from nothing to something, that something,  is quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to reitterate the point, &#8220;Encourage and model to students praise, respect, and appreciation of all contributions to learning and building a supportive classroom atmosphere;&#8221; along with Joseph&#8217;s point. </p>
<p>After rearranging the boards in the classroom, I recently observed the teacher putting up work done by the &#8220;gifted&#8221; students, which of course is fine, but the previous work she had taken down was also done by a few of the same students. Noticing a change, each class went to the board to see what had been put up, and I could see the disappointment of some who did not see their name or picture. A few of them began to crack jokes about the work or the pictures, and many of those were the same ones who are frequent trouble-makers. In the teacher&#8217;s defense however, the principal only wants to see &#8220;quality work.&#8221;<br />
I would think that for those who go from nothing to something, that something,  is quality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Music in Shakespeare’s Language by Radhika Nataraj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radhika Nataraj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most students are turned off by Shakespeare's language because it is so far removed from what they hear and speak -- it's almost like a foreign language.  How would we feel if we suddenly had to read an entire novel in Spanish and analyze it?  It would probably take a lot of time and effort just to understand the basic plot, leave alone the nuances of the language.

For this reason, I think it is important to start simple and build up when helping students understand the beauty of Shakespeare's language.  After discussing the plot in simple terms, or after reading a passage, choose one important quote.  Break this quote down into simple words.  Ask them how this simple sentence connects with what is going on in the scene the quote is from.  Then choose one word from the original quote and have the students look it up and define it.  Break this definition down into a more simple definition and discuss it.  Then replace the simple word in the simple sentence with this original word from the original quote (it sounds complicated, i know, but stay with me).  Keep doing this until you have changed the simple sentence back into the original quote.  This way, they can better understand the nuances of his language.

It could also be helpful to take a day out and explain to the students a brief history of how English evolved.  Many of them may not be aware that English was spoken differently -- once this problem is cleared up, they may not be so reluctant to read Shakespeare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most students are turned off by Shakespeare&#8217;s language because it is so far removed from what they hear and speak &#8212; it&#8217;s almost like a foreign language.  How would we feel if we suddenly had to read an entire novel in Spanish and analyze it?  It would probably take a lot of time and effort just to understand the basic plot, leave alone the nuances of the language.</p>
<p>For this reason, I think it is important to start simple and build up when helping students understand the beauty of Shakespeare&#8217;s language.  After discussing the plot in simple terms, or after reading a passage, choose one important quote.  Break this quote down into simple words.  Ask them how this simple sentence connects with what is going on in the scene the quote is from.  Then choose one word from the original quote and have the students look it up and define it.  Break this definition down into a more simple definition and discuss it.  Then replace the simple word in the simple sentence with this original word from the original quote (it sounds complicated, i know, but stay with me).  Keep doing this until you have changed the simple sentence back into the original quote.  This way, they can better understand the nuances of his language.</p>
<p>It could also be helpful to take a day out and explain to the students a brief history of how English evolved.  Many of them may not be aware that English was spoken differently &#8212; once this problem is cleared up, they may not be so reluctant to read Shakespeare!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The “Language Barrier” of Shakespeare by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd start by comparing the language from the "translations" to the original language. Which sounds better? Why?

I'd suggest that the students hear as much of the play as possible. With Shakespeare--and only Shakespeare--I find myself mumbling the play to myself while I'm reading the play.

Many of the clever elements of Shakespeare's language, like the insults, sarcastic comebacks, and witty asides are things that the students can creatively duplicate or synthesize on their own. Make up some Shakespeare-style insults!

When we staged S's work in my high school classroom, my classmates and I invented a running gag where we would find the most creative uses for random classroom things as props. It wasn't something anyone thought of--it was just really funny the first few times and then it took on a life of its own. A little slapstick and some improv can help the students focus on staging their own Shakespeare, not the play they think they should be staging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d start by comparing the language from the &#8220;translations&#8221; to the original language. Which sounds better? Why?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that the students hear as much of the play as possible. With Shakespeare&#8211;and only Shakespeare&#8211;I find myself mumbling the play to myself while I&#8217;m reading the play.</p>
<p>Many of the clever elements of Shakespeare&#8217;s language, like the insults, sarcastic comebacks, and witty asides are things that the students can creatively duplicate or synthesize on their own. Make up some Shakespeare-style insults!</p>
<p>When we staged S&#8217;s work in my high school classroom, my classmates and I invented a running gag where we would find the most creative uses for random classroom things as props. It wasn&#8217;t something anyone thought of&#8211;it was just really funny the first few times and then it took on a life of its own. A little slapstick and some improv can help the students focus on staging their own Shakespeare, not the play they think they should be staging.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips on Preventing Classroom Management and Discipline Issues by Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This list seems quite comprehensive. While I was not privy to the initial discussion, having been in the classroom for a few months now, I agree with most of the discipline/management techniques set forth in the list. A few items that I would like to add are:
- be sure to use the proper disciplinary procedures that your school sets forth.What you do to maintain a productive and safe classroom is personal. However, certain activities may have sanctioned reprimands in your school. 
- Establish a disciplinary pattern early! It is much harder to go from being easy to being tough.
-Communicate with parents as much as possible. Some may be resistant, but it is your responsibility to alert parents to issues with thier children. They may also be able to give you an insight into why thier students are acting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This list seems quite comprehensive. While I was not privy to the initial discussion, having been in the classroom for a few months now, I agree with most of the discipline/management techniques set forth in the list. A few items that I would like to add are:<br />
- be sure to use the proper disciplinary procedures that your school sets forth.What you do to maintain a productive and safe classroom is personal. However, certain activities may have sanctioned reprimands in your school.<br />
- Establish a disciplinary pattern early! It is much harder to go from being easy to being tough.<br />
-Communicate with parents as much as possible. Some may be resistant, but it is your responsibility to alert parents to issues with thier children. They may also be able to give you an insight into why thier students are acting out.</p>
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